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since you avoid me in the hallways and i take advantage of this time in my day. thank you martin. the show starts right now. hi. the big story today, the gop at war. good afternoon to you. my name is dylan ratigan. it is a pleasure to see you. how are you today? in the political world, there may be some brewing trouble among the republicans. i know that's a classic thing pt the guy at meeat msnbc saying o, but the budget on capital hill as well as efforts to save the nation not just from defaulting but to get to a place where we have a resolution from the deadline on this comes up, it is 54 days out. you have republican leadership not happy about raising the debt ceiling but concede we have to move to a resolution point and ultimately move the debt ceiling where w a plan.
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on the other side, you have grover nord kwist and his conservative anti-tax pro subsidy crew, apprised heavily of republican freshman. they consider the elimination of any tax -- or excuse me, any subsidy or tax break or earmark for a corporation, oil subsidies, ethanol subsidies, they consider that the equivalent after tax hike, using tax rhetoric to be in support of corporations. it doesn't meanings mengs what to be done with medicare. we will get into that. speaker boehner balancing the pro corporate subsidy, grover, chris crowd with what i would consider -- providing to be a
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major hurdle in reuniting the republican party as they hold rank against democrats in the budget and deficit debate. of course the democrat's plan is more or less more money printing, kicking the can down the road, hanging on and pray, extend and pretend tp. call it what you want, leaving all of us once again with two crappy options. neither of them viable, welcome to the two-party system which is american politics today. there are thousands of options that are vastly superior to either the republican or the democratic agenda but because of the corrupt and bought nature of our political system, we don't ever get it chance to debate them. republican senator, on sabbatical, after talks he's had enough of the democrats putting medicare on table and quite honestly, i think the senator has had an incredible degree of
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frustration. as you have told me senator. in the process which i just described. before we get into the pro subsidy crowd that is led by grover norquist, they call it a tax hike because it is better market be but their behavior seems more pro subsidy. give us your two cents on where you stand on where i need to know and the american public needs to know, on the budget. >> there is no budget because there wasn't one offered up from the senate. there won't be a budget. because what it says we're going to run under what's called a continuing resolution. which doesn't allow the valuable federal employees to plan pror properly and spend the money in the most efficient way. when there are negotiations over an extension of the debt limit, i think there is a lot of things going on, but i'm not privy to many of them. but there are meetings going on. i think what american people
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ought to know is we don't have any choices any more. we have to markedly reduce the spending at the federal government level if we fund our deficits and fund our debt that we have today. otherwise we pay significantly higher interest costs which will put us further down the tube. >> why will we not use this incredible pressure that you just describe so well. as an opportunity to solve the underlying problem of systems that cost us a huge amount of money and provide terrible service? we spend a ton on education, we get nothing. we spend on healthcare. we are 37th. we spend more than anyone on energy but we waste two thirds of it. if we were managing a business, if you and i were managing a city, if you and i were managing a household and we saw it was costing us an arm and leg and our credit card bills were really big, we would ask why are we spending this money and is there a way to get more for less.
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and the answer is yes, if you doesn't didn't have monopolies and things like the energy grid and the rest of it. it confuses me why we aren't seeing a direct address from the 1950s power grid to the healthcare monopolies to the banks which are the underlying drivers of the deficit. >> i think it is pretty simple. republicans are trying to protect the republican brand. democrats are trying to protect the democrat brand and what we don't have is enough statesmen trying to solve the problem. when the next election is more important than the fwu tour future of our country, we're in trouble. >> i'm confused. as you know i come from a financial universe. 15 years in a world that was not political. i made the decision to become part of the political universe after the bailouts in 2008 and have been lerning of since. why a grover norquist so powerful and why he is able to have aefr tax subsidy, every
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corporate earmark after his anti-tax hike rhetoric. i don't understand why he is so fourl. >> i don't think he is. we haven't had our first test vote. i hope to do that in the next week or so. we will see what test vote us. i think part of it is the allure of building a good story of controversy. i don't think he is near as powerful. look, when it comes down, i do believe that we have to raise taxes to be able to get a deal to cut spending? yes. there is going to have to be increased revenues if we fix it because we don't control the senate. we control the house. and we don't control the presidency. so there will have to be a compromise and with that is revenue regardless of the grover norquists of the world. that's just common sense. it doesn't mean we shouldn't work to solve the problems for our country regardless of what the lobbyists and special interests put pressure on you. if you let the country go down the tubes so you can say, i
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don't break a pledge because the best pledge is the oath of the constitution and oilty to our country. so you know, i think the story is overblown. i think when it gets down to the real voting that will take place either in the next week on ethanol, for example. or when it comes to the debt limit. i don't think you will see that power wielded at all. >> and that's a compliment to rational thought adaptability and problem solving among adults, if your analysis is correct. i certainly hope that it is. how do we find ourselves in a situation, when somebody like yourself, to go after something like ethanol subsidies or the things that are are so clearly guided by special interests. it is clearly a special interest type after deal. would have resistance from your own party or others or from the corn states. >> i don't think there is much resistance in my party except for people from corn states. i don't think there is resistance in fixing the
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ethanol, both import and blenders credit from the democrats. what it is, there's a lot in the corn industry. you know, 40% of corn crops go for ethanol. and corn, at the low, if we have the lowest corn production since 1974 in terms of available reserves and we've got some of the highest prices and the people, here is the other important point, dylan. the people who get the lenders credit, big oil companies, archers, daniels midland, say they don't want the credit because they are mandated to blend it anyway. here is $3 billion that starting july 1 we can say for the american people, the price of ethanol and because they have to blend it any way and what is not going to effect anything except save $3 billion of which 40% of that we will have to borrow. so here is common sense. so i think we will get the votes and well get it but we will have to have somebody move something
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in the house to actually accomplish that. but there is $3 billion. the way you get hid of the deficit is 1, 3, 7, $5 billion at a time. this makes sense. everybody agrees it makes sense. what people want to do is, look, if i was getting $7.65 a bush yell of a corn and 275 for a bush yell of the acre i want everybody subsidy to make sure i continue to get that. i don't disagree that's not good for them but it is not good for the country as a whole. >> how distorted are these decisions like the iowa primary and the presidential candidates to raise money based on how they do in iowa? in other words are we overdeveloping corn. into our food chain and everything we do, basic sloi that presidential can maintain their fund-raising so they get a shot to become president. >> i think that is what is all wrong about the presidential process. what we need is candidates
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running for president today that speak the truth to the american people. that if they lose, they lose but at least they can walk away saying here's the facts. we can't do this. ethanol is only 65% as efficient as gasoline. when you go buy e 58 you pay 1.72 in subsidies plus the e 85. the fact is, we need people to be plain spoken, truthful about the problems. will taking away the ethanol subsidy effect the price of corn? i certainly hope so. some. will it markedly reduce the income of fafrmers in iowa? no. there is a worldwide shortage of corn despite of the fact we blend it for ethanol. >> last question. by the way, it is nice to see you. >> nice to see you, dylan. >> how are you doing? >> it's hot in washington today. >> i took my tie off as hom
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homage to the heat. i won't be burned by the silk any longer, senator. you probably can't get away with that. >> not while i'm in the capitol. >> the last question everybody wants to know around here and i'm sure everywhere else is your view on rejoining the gang of six. >> well, look, i work very closely with five wonderful senators who were incredibly honest as we try to work out an agreement. and i have every intention to try to do that if can i. if i think we can come to an agreement that fixes the problem. there is no good for us to come to an agreement and the judgment for this is the international financial community. if they look at an agreement that comes out of the congress that they don't think puts us on a path towards correcting our fiscal imbalances, we want to solve the problem. we may have extended the debt limit.
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-- to pay interest and -- >> isn't that florida's whole economy? >> well, part of it. a lot of it comes from dade county, that's right. there's no question. but the question is, is can we make that better? can we get those savings? can we cause people to be better discretionary providers? i'm talking doctors. of what they spend. and taking care of medicare patients. and can we get medicare patients to be better in terms of what they are demanding. so, the fact is, we're all in this together. our problem in healthcare is one
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in $3, it doesn't help anybody. we need to figure that out. so my whole goal, i would love to join the gang of six and they that we can come up with a great solution. but i'll tell what you it takes, for us to get out of trouble, it takes $9.7 trillion over the next ten years. can you do that. can you do 700, you know, 600 billion one year, 700 billion and then grow it. we can do it with minimal negative effect on the economy. we are going through the entire federal government right now, my staff is. and we know a lot of it. more so than a lot of other senators. we will put out there $9 drillon worth of sources. and i will defend it. we can't afford certain things. we have grown the federal fleet. just get this. we have grown the federal fleet of cars by 22% in the last three years. just think of that. why? we got 77 new limo, black limos.
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it's -- we're spending money like we're not in trouble. >> i get it. the beautiful thing, senator, is at least you are framing the conversation in the proportional scale that it has to be framed such that it can be solved which is a multitrillion dollar scale. and i compliment you for that and it is great to see it. i appreciate it. i know folks appreciate your efforts. i hope you are able to continue to herd the cats in identifying the problem and creating a real debate with america as to how we solve it. i compliment you on your efforts to do that. >> thank you. >> thank you it is good to be with you dylan. coming up, part two of our exclusive investigation. fire water. if so-called natural gas fracking is safe and profitable, why is there so many in so many communities that are resistant to it? today we continue our search for answers. but first from recession to depression, the numbers simply don't lie. between the size of the banks,
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>> this is the chance of a lifetime. just a dream come true. >> show us who you are. >> this is the moment fb >> the debt in this country is skyrocketing. the government is spending taggering amounts of money and
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they are taking on staggering amounts of debt. they can't quadruple the debt again. they can't print that much money. it will be worst the next time around. >> the most respected voice still alive today. jim rogers recently on cnbc. we have dropped interest rates. we printed money. there is all this talk after double-dipper session but if you compare the current state of our economy to '08 it looks like we are there. the new polls feels like half of the americans have great depression. employment and prosperity is on the rise in the next year. corporate profits ever up but at expense of human beings so what good g is that. that poll data is worse than three years ago, during the financial collapse. now there is talk of the president with a version of stimulus with a payroll tax cut. which by too many people's view, my own included, is like dealing with a hurricane with a squirt
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gun. karen finney, republican strategist, susan del percio and d.c. insider, jimmy williams. jimmy, you were involved in this over the years. you understand the business. at the same time you and i both know that bank of america bought merrill. j.p. morgan bought bear. wells fargo bought wachovia. the derivative market was it $600 trillion? it is still 600 trillion going in. do you agree with jim rogers that in addition with the risk profile higher that we shot our bullet so to speak with rates and money printing that the risk profile may be higher? >> you know, when we wrote -- well, i mean when we finished writing in 1999 and passed it
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and president clinton signed it into law i don't think any of us ever thought that that percentage of the, of the american economy would be held by that few number of banks. we thought we wore globalize the banking system. we didn't think it would be what it is today. i think we today go to the edge of the presbis then we saw in 2008, 2009, the question is what do we do about it today? i don't know. i respect jim rogers and i think he is right on a lot of things but i don't have an answer to that. what i can tell you is, is that if we got unemployment down, and more people went back to work, you know what is interesting, the bush tax cuts. i remember this. i was on the floor of the senate when we debated the bush tax bill. the bush tax cuts were supposed to create 5.5 million jobs. really? where are they. bush tax cuts cost us $2.48
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trillion. so tom was just on this show and he said we got balance the budget. fine, let the numbers go back to the clinton years. maybe we will create 5.5 million jobs. >> then you have to wake up from dream land, jimmy, i'm sorry.
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>> it makes me anxious sometimes because i like both of you. i want to move to the poll things because there is a tremendous amount of risk in the system whether the giant banks, whether too big to fail, whether the derivatives market. whether they understand business structure. they go down the list saying, listen, you are building a bigger bomb. you're not diffusing the bomb. you are building a bigger bomb. jon stewart who cuts to the chase perhaps as well as anyone, maybe better, took the president to task for this very issue. take a look. >> all right, little rough terrain. little head wind still coming at us. it's feen. we're americans. we're strong. >> if you had a bad illness. if you got hit by a truck. you know, it's going to take a while for to you mend. that's what happened to our economy.
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>> how did we go from a little bit of head wind to, we got hit by a truck? not even a car. we got hit by a truck. people getting hit by trucks, they don't bounce back. they don't usually live pl the ones who do live wined up writing about it with their feet. >> oh, man pt. karen, listen, there's a rooen jon stewart's jon stewart. you can watch him every evening on comedy central, by the way. if you look at politics of this, even everybody is sympathetic to a politician and understands that a politician defers to traysing that allows them to make things okay. whatever that may be. the fact of the matter is this is a gigantic issue which is the financial system and the president and democratic leadership and republican leadership across the board continue to really dodge it on
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one level or another. whether you pick your interpretation. but they are not dealing with it. >> i don't know if i agree they are dodging it. but the problem is we are entering a presidential election year. all of the members of the house are up. and so there is a lot of politics that play at a time when the problems we face, frankly, need for politics actually to be put aside and actually come together on policy notice. but in meetings with different folks. and the other thing that frustrates me is i feel like this is the same conversation, we could have had this conversation ten years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago bp what is it we can't seem to break out of the bad habits. i think a lot of that is politics, unfortunately. i will say and obviously i'm partisan so i have my partisan opinion, i do think that part of the problem is when you're holding hostage, we will only have the conversation as if it has this and this.
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instead of saying, can we try to focus on the things, here are places where we agree. i do think the president is trying to, a, keep the markets calm. i think there is a lot of instability particularly with the whole deficit discussion. and i think, b, he is trying to say, where can we start? can we start somewhere we agree and try to get something done. i don't think that's what politics are allowing for. >> isn't the definition of insanity repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different result? >> absolutely. >> let's take a break. karen, susan and jimmy all stay. hush money, right after this. what the saudi's have that unstable arab countries don't and are willing to use it. it is called a fat checkbook thanks to the united states and our oil buying. who else are they bank rolling with our money? our specialist today, former senator and intelligence committee chairman bob graham, who was in charge at the time of 9/11 and the weeks that follow. he is with us after this.
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>> welcome back. new reports about the u.s. increasing airstrikes in the middle east this time in yemen. officials say it is one of the only ways that america can contain al qaeda. and what they view as an increase in the unstable arabian peninsula. but the situation is much more calm in nearby saudi arabia. that's curious. the reason, instead of using firepower king abdullah wields his royal checkbook. so far spending nearly $7,000 per citizen in recent months to keep the peace. and that is not a new thing. exactly that kind of dealing has been reported for years in saudi arabia, long suspected of bank rolling international terrorists especially in days and weeks that follow 9/11. former senator bob graham happened to be chairman of the senate collect committee on intelligence at the time america
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was attacked and in weeks following. you want some water or something, senator? you're fine. it's okay. we're all human. he is the author of "keys to the kingdom, a novel of suspense." if you would like, i can talk to the panel first. >> it's fine. >> how closely connected is saudi arabia and the saudi arabian bank roll to the financing of anti-american or violent terrorist activities globally having nothing to do with america? >> at the hip they're connected. >> they're connected at the hip. >> yes. al qaeda started out as an saudi arabian organization. it was an offshoot of another organization which was made up of the wealthiest people in the world who were trying to pro zerve the traditional values of saudi arabia and reign in what they thought was an excessively
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secular movement by the monarchy. they had a subsidiary called al qaeda which financed terrorism. >> as an explicit agenda. as a way it resist the secularization of the royal family? >> yes. >> for the monarchy. what decade is that? >> this is in the 1980s. >> okay. >> when bin laden came back from afghanistan, he associated himself with the golden chain as his family. which is one of the wealthiest families. shz sure. >> but he moved al qaeda from being a financer of terror becoming an operative of terror. that got him in trouble with the royal family thp pe kicked him out. he goes back it afghanistan. made a deal with the taliban there and set up camp. then 9/11 came along. >> susan? >> hi, senator. susan del percio here. i'm wondering what you think now with all of the upheaval in the
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middle east and capture of bin laden, does that make al qaeda now potentially weaker as a whole because you now have their leader gone or does it kind of create these like independent organizations that could perhaps be even more violent or more harder to predict? >> well, the independent organizations that don't have to be created, they have been created since 9/11 al qaeda morphed from being a highly central organization to a franchise and has 620 franchises around the world. the one we know the most about is the al qaeda in the arabian peninsula because it is increasingly growing independent of central al qaeda and is willing to carry out several attempted operations inside the united states. thus far, none of them have been successful. bin laden was a powerful figure. he is charismatic, very wealthy,
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had a network of wealthy friends and he was an engineer that brought that discipline to the organization. but al qaeda lost a lot of its leadership bp middle and upper management. they have always been able to find somebody to replace them. so it leads me to believe they are likely to have had some grooming going on to replace bin laden. >> jimmy, go ahead. >> senator, nice to see you. i wish you were back in the senate. i can tell you, it would be a much better place if you were. you made an interest statement. you said alkiez al qaeda is a franchise. knowing that even being a fomer member of the intelligence committee, knowing we didn't just send in 200 troops to get bin laden within we sent 16 troops or whatever the small number was, intelligence is the key. al qaeda isn't a force of front sitting in one place, they are everywhere. all right. doesn't it make more sense for
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us to pear back and to get our troops, many of our troops, out of those regions and use intelligence? beef up funding for intelligence for the drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, get our kids and men and women off the front lines and let our intelligence committee do its job and go and find out and weaken the people to the point where they disappear? what are your thoughts on that? >> tone ramos, is the afghanistan expert for the state department's intelligence unit. he goes through a metamorphus during the book. he starts out being very strong for u.s. troops in afghanistan. then he becomes concerned about pakistan and sees a stable afghanistan as critical to that. at the end of the book, he has taken your position, that al qaeda has virtually left afghanistan. less than a hundred al qaeda
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operatives are still there. on the other hand, al qaeda moved to somalia, yemen, pakistan. that's where most of al qaeda is today. i agree with you we need to readjust our military strategy. we are not fighting world war ii. we are fighting very much like it took to get bin laden. >> what is the book called? >> tony ramos. >> no, in the book? >> oh, another character. i'm not tony. >> karen, we have run the clock. not because we don't love you. we look forward to seeing you next week. senator, congratulations on the book. let me see that real quick. again, "keys to the kingdom." a novel of suspense. bob gam, a man with the perspective, knowledge and background to write a book like this. i look forward to taking a look
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question. >> this was a sample last year. you can see the iron floating in it. this is my neighbor next door. he can't drink that. >> victoria moved to demic, pennsylvania to build her dream home. complete with fresh water from her own well. when the gas industry followed she says things got messy. >> this stuff wouldn't have come into the water if there wasn't drilling. there is cause and effect here. i don't think it takes a sieb tist to figure this out. >> switzer has water hand delivered to her by the gas company. >> this is the water buffalo. >> yes. >> what is this? >> this is a tank they use so we can have water inside house. they bring town water to us and fill this up everyday. 550 gallons. and if they don't come and fill it everyday we will run out in the course of a day. >> this water goes into your shower, into your dishwasher because you can't use that well sh. >> because we can't use the well at all.
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>> craig and julie says their water went bad bad at the initial stages of drilling and before fracking began. cabinet oil and gas installed a water buffalo, elaborate water treatment system in their basement and even a vent pipe in their yard to release gas from the old weal. >> they want the gas to come out here instead of going inside the house from an explosion. >> they tried it take care of us in the beginning but you know what, the main thing they tried to do is prove it was my fault. they wouldn't accept blame for it. >> we firmly believe we are not introducing anything into the ground water. >> george stark is a spokesman for cabot oil and gas. >> especially from the methane standpoint, we know, i've met ladies who are in their late 70s who have told me about when they were teenagers they would light their water on fire. >> what about not the gas but the iron and other sediment that they say is stirred up by the
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casing and drilling? >> again, i come back to, we're not seeing the same data. >> the sautneres provided us from water testing from their home before drilling began and 2010 after they claim the water was contaminated. there is iron levels in their well up 400 fold and magnesium up 250 times higher. cabot show us the levels dropped bit end of the year. the company says a variety of factors could have caused any increase in these elements. as for the methane, state water tests confirm methane in the water after the drilling but how it got there is now at the sernt of the lawsuit. still, the state of pennsylvania held cabot responsible for contaminating the water supply
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and find the company $300,000. c bo t is banned from drilling in a demic. walking a couple miles away, an engineering specialist told us this is just one of the dangers. >> educate me a little bit. what are the risks deep below ground where the actual fracking is being done to release the gas relatively shall why between the surface and down there and at the surface? and risks associated with all of those areas. >> ingraffis says faulty casing is a problem and concerns are not limited to demic. >> hundreds of thousands of wells have been drilled, fracks and cemented and yet we are still at the situation where two miles up the road, starting two years ago, 63 wells were drilled. >> three of them add problem. >> fast forward two years. we are in a different county, 50 miles west of here. different operator. same problem. exactly the same problem.
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so you can't say it's just somebody, one company operating unluckily in one area. >> research commissioned by cabot found the proceed eers meet or exceed the procedures of the gas act. adequately protecting the water supply and the company is not allowing methane into the drinking water. regardless of what their neighbors say, some local business owners say the reward is worth the risk. >> i was the kid that grew up watching my parents fight over grocery money. it goes hand in handed with me wanting to work in this industry right now. >> i figure water is one of the most precious commodities we have. you only have so much water and you can't do without it. i can live without natural gas. i can't live without water. >> one community divide over natural gas drilling, is the nation next? >> a lawsuit currently pending between more than a dozen families and cabot oil and gas. the court will determine whether
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cabot is responsible for contaminating family wells. from our story, you may wonder if cabot wasn't to blame, then why has the company for years been supplying families with outside sources of water? i asked that myself. the answer, is that it was ordered by the state's department of environmental protection that cab 0 t deliver the water until the water is resolv resolved. cabot settled with families by providing them with water treatment systems and a financial sum. we should note several families we spoke to who received the systems say they work and they now use their water. that, an anecdotal micro look. hardly scientific. but tomorrow, the big picture. where is our own government amid the controversy and what does the debate mean for america's energy independence? you want energy ind pendens for america as much more more than
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anybody and you simply believe that natural gas strategy is a misguided strategy. >> by just had tornadoes in my part of pennsylvania. the only people who had power that weekend, were the people who had solar panels on their roof. that's energy independence. >> an interview with former energy secretary and new mexico golf nor bill richardson and feedback from our viewers. very compelling. that tomorrow in the conclusion of our fire water series. we are back with more here, however, right after this. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels.
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>> anthony weiner not the first politician to find himself in a sex scandal and it tells us of
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course we all know it won't be the last. our resident skeptic michael shermer has ideas about the thought process of people like congressman weiner and how power in general further manipulates the mind of a man, so we can beware of these variables. he talks about these things, not anthony wean anthony weiner, have you. this is how the idioscy 69 brain functions. >> men and women differ on visual erotica. men like it, women not as much. women prefer a romance novel narrative build up to sex. men want the money shot. give me the visual to stimulate my cortex. >> which leads a man to think that if he lied the imagery of a naked female, pornography, he
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says oh, i will show them mine. and that's wrong. >> right. you talk about a whole set of cognitive bias about the way we think -- >> either sex. >> you project that you must think i way i think. if a guy thinks i would love the money shot of a woman's crotch, send it on over, babe. so i will send you mine. no. that's not the way it works. >> what's the next one? >> men and women have differences on short term hook ups. men like the short term hook ups. women not so much. if the first round, a man said i saw you standing there, found you attractive and would you like to go out on a date with when tonight np 50/50 split. >> to go out. >> yes. >> the second is i found you attractive, would you like to go back with my apartment with me.
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more men said yes. >> so with the going apartment to my apartment approach, men were more. women were lower. when they were asked for a dinner date it was more or less equal. >> yes. >> third round, i saw you standing there, found you attractive, wonder if you would sleep with me tonight. 79% of the men said sure. not one woman said yes. so there you go. finally, with the power thing, if you have a lot of power you have access, you are more prominent. you have maybe more confidence that maybe they've gotten away with this more and we haven't heard about it. and powerful men, in sports, ceos, politicians, maybe higher risk takers. higher testosterone. they are more likely to take the risky behavior. the down side is more drugs, more sex. that's also risky behavior. so it becomes a package. as you said, the access to just more opportunities and that's a
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formula for trouble. >> the irony is the very asset that can help men like that achieve power, will be the exact asset that will take all of it from them. >> that's right. >> i've got a b a minute left. because there is a lot more. you just applied the logic of your book it anthony weiner. your book is not about sex or men. it is about the brain functionality relative to our relationship with other human beings. before i let you go, what do you think we all need to be more aware of in that regard. >> we are extremely biassed. our beliefs come first. the reason we fight for our believes comes second. we have evidence for what we believe and we ignore the disconforming evidence. we can pay attention to what our critics say. listen to the still small voice that says, you know, you might be wrong. that we pretend to suppress. no, no, i'm sure i'm right. well you might not be right. all of us c

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